Saturday, 28 February 2009

How to become a vicar

I wrote this as an e-mail for the people at work today, and some of them found it a really helpful explanation of the steps to vicaration, my signature on my e-mails points to my blog, so my DDO has also read it and I’ve updated it to reflect his thoughts!

There are three stages to pursuing your dream of wearing a cassock and dog collar.

Discernment
Training and
Curacy (although technically you get your dog collar and cassock after the training stage)

Discernment
Unfortunately, it is not possible simply to speak to your vicar and say “I really think the Lord might be saying I should be a vicar” and that’s that, although that would be the place to start. If your vicar agrees that the Lord might be saying you should join the ranks s/he will start you on the discernment process. What happens next varies from diocese to diocese, but essentially is a process of trying to hear from God and making sure that this is what he wants!

Typically, you have to meet with the Diocesan Director of Ordinands (no wonder everyone calls them the ‘DDO’) who is paid to listen to you and God and work out whether it’s right that you are called to ordained ministry. Usually you will be sent to see someone else too, usually not a vicar. In St Albans, for example, they like to make this person someone who is trained in psychotherapy, in Peterborough Dioecese a lay person who has experience of testing vocation. This is to get another perspective on the hearing process.

Once the DDO is satisfied, they will send you to see the Bishop. The Bishop will chat to you for a while and have read a report about you by the DDO. It is up to the Bishop to make the final decision as to whether you should be allowed to train for vicarhood. If they think you are a likely candidate, they will send you to a Bishop’s Advisory Panel which is a 3 day event where you have 3 interviews, a group exercise and a pastoral letter to write amongst other things. The Bishop’s Advisory Panel then advise the bishop (strangely enough) as to whether you should be trained for vicarness.

The Bishop then decides. He can accept the panel’s advice, or he can ignore it, it’s his choice. If he says yes, you will then start training. From the first conversation with your vicar to this point can (exceptionally) be a few months, is most often at least a year and in St Albans diocese they like to really really know you want to be a vicar, so the process takes around 2 years.

Training
Training takes either 2 or 3 years, depending on your age and whether you have done any formal academic theology in the past. As a rough guide, if you are 30 or older, or you have a degree in theology already you will do 2 years, otherwise it’s 3. That’s all about to get more complicated though as a result of the Hind Report. Usually, training takes place at a Theological College (the Church of England does not call them bible colleges!), and is full time. It is possible to do the training part time over a number of years, but if you’re training to be a full time vicar, you will usually do the training full time.

Curacy
Once you have graduated Theological College you will spend four years doing ‘on the job training’ as a ‘Curate’. Your dream of vicardom is close at hand. At the start of the first year you will be ordained by a Bishop in a Cathedral as a ‘deacon’, which allows you to take services, funerals and baptise people. After you’ve completed your first year you’ll be ordained a second time, but as a ‘priest’ which means you can take a service of holy communion and marry people (I mean take the marriage service rather than get married). Then after the four years is up you can apply for a job running a church of your own!

So, from first thoughts to full on ‘I’m the vicar’ takes around 8 years, it’s not an easy process…

16 comments:

  1. Hello Dave
    I'm well into my period of discernment, (over 2 years) and I now face The Bishop's panel in April, with the hope of training as a humble OLM, (a class 3 vicar!)any advise, would be very welcome.
    Yours in Christ Mark

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  2. I'm right at the very beginning ... today my vicar pursuaded me to think about it, and my wife has not raised the usual objections. It's certainly not my idea or initiative. The Vicar reckons I would be ordained in 5 years time.

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  3. Hi Good luck to the two commenters above. Just one itsy little question. When you are training, do you get a bursary or do you have to pay etc ? How do you make ends meet while you are full time ? Pay your rent etc ?

    Paul

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  4. Hello Kieth

    I got through the BAP in April, well the DDO's words were "you have scaped it" (they all like playing "good cop/bad cop" if you know what I mean?) I have since then had a chat with the local Bishop(who has his reservations about me)he is willing to sponsor my training, although I will have to pay for books (about £500 worth over 3 years)this is going to start BEFORE I go to a national conferance, such is there confidence in me, as you can tell from my experience they like to build you up and put you down, be prepard for enything, trust God and don't be put off, if it's what God wants- it will happen.
    Love and blessings to all Mark

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  5. I'm amazed at this description of how to become a vicar and the lengthy process. Given the state of many of our churches today, isn't there the slightest suspicion that perhaps the process is not as effective as it needs to be?

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  6. How old do you have to be to be a vicar??

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  7. So just say you have a family to support and you get sponsored to do the training. Does the sponsorship just cover the cost of training or does it act as a bursary so you can pay your bills etc? Say you have a mortgage or a rent to pay and you are the main wage earner.

    Sorry for confusing the issue.

    Paul

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  8. You can contact me at

    jubilee513@yahoo.co.uk

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  9. .....hi....I'm a 52 year old mum and nan and have heard my'calling'...it's come out of the blue...I'm not even a regular church goer...where do I start?..thanks for listening

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  10. Just wondered about the financial aspect. As main breadwinner if I were to get selected to be put through training do you get anything other than your fees paid for you? I have never felt I am meant to do anything more than this in my life but still have a responsibility to my family. I am speaking to a vicar this week.
    Any help appreciated.
    N x

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  11. You have to be 18 to start training and yes if you live in as is normal your costs are covered - you live eat and train in college. If you are older you may be able to train part time and will get your training cost covered but you will have to support yourself otherwise. Don't forget that when you are a Vicar, you are only paid a cost of living, it's called a stipend, it's not much about £20K currently - you get a house to live in but you don't own it, it's definitely a calling for the whole family! In order to get through the rigors of the selection process you must be a committed Christian of some years with an established and deep prayer life, and quite some leadership already in your local church. To the 52 yr old; fantastic your discerning a call, but you should seek to deepen your Christian and church life first - there are many callings!

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  12. more than just having a chat, more than arrow prayers (though very usefull!) more than petition (always asking for things) and should be disciplined and explored. Also an understanding of the daily offices as laid down in the Canons - which every parish church (should)say morning and night and this is open to all, and which every ordained person is expected to say. Obviously everyone is different, the point is that the candidate is committed to somekind of daily prayer and continually seeking greater understanding, see ArchBishop Rowans website www.archbishopofcanterbury.org and go to 'multimeadi' for podcasts of articles/talks on prayer.

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  13. After being ordained a priest, does one move from curacy to curacy each year to gain experience in various communities, with a variety of congregation, under the tutelage of various vicars?

    If you know, I'm at harry.williams [at] marion.k12.fl.us, and thanks!

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  14. For some reason I hadn't realised that there were so many comments on here, sorry for not really responding earlier!

    I can only talk about finance from a married perspective, but a couple will get £9,000ish to live on PLUS college tuition fees, accommodation fees (i.e. rent), council tax and water rates. If you have children you get a bit more. It's not a 'good' salary but it's enough. If you have a house elsewhere you will need to fund that yourself (usually by renting it out).

    To be ordained as a deacon you have to be at least 23 (although it is possible to do it younger but you have to get the agreement of an Archbishop).

    In the UK, you will ususally serve a 3-4 year curacy in one parish which constitutes the second half of your training. During this period you are paid (currently around £20k) and given a house to live in.

    I promise I'll check back here more often from now on!!

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  15. Hi. I'm 32, married with 4 kids and have no connections with C of E church whatsoever. However, I believe I do have a calling to ordained ministry. Any suggestions as to how to go about this?

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